Why do so many Oregonians hate Californians? Here’s why

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About a year ago a thread on Reddit got a lot of interesting answers, to the simple question…

Why do so many Oregonians hate Californians? 

It’s a loaded question, and as expected I’m sure a ton of Oregonians on this blog post alone will be adding their two cents. Are you an Oregonian who hates Californians? Everything from California drivers to Californians hiking up real estate in Oregon is dropped in these responses. Let us know in the comments what you think!

    1. Seeing house prices jump from $50,000 for a two bedroom up to $450,000 over 10 years is a pretty good reason to. Seeing families priced out of the towns they grew up in is a good reason. Seeing schools closed down because Californians wanted to turn a chunk of Oregon into a retirement community hostile to schools and youth in general is a pretty good reason. Californian investments that exclusively pay minimum wage is another one.

2. Here in Tillamook County we recently passed a county bond to repair our horrendously maintained road system. It took 3 consecutive voting terms to get it passed and a great deal had to do with California property owners lobbying against it simply because they were being asked to pay a little bit more (based on the assessed value of the residential property).

Our roads were/are statistically the worst in the State. We had our fire chief, police chief and EMT director, ALL elected county officials write our local papers and plead to pass it (they were bending wheel rims on calls). Eventually it did but not after 3 tries and a lot of letters to the editor from Californian land/vacation home owners.

On a superficial level I can completely agree with the perception that California’s snowbirds have a great deal to do with the vitriol. Then again, California is not that bad, not Oregon, but I’ve had some fantastic times in that state.

The driving thing is absolutely correct though, you guys need to stop and think why you’re in such a hurry and whether or not it’s worth it.

3. Your state is intensely dysfunctional because of the policies you support. You move here to escape the results of voting that way, then vote for the same policies in Oregon, gradually making it more like California.

4. It’s the way they drive.

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5. Everyone here brings up good points. But I’d like to add on something specific about driving…

Californian drivers, for some reason, tend to go too slow when passing isn’t possible (2-lane road), but as soon as there’s a passing lane, they’ll speed up to a crazy unsafe speed, preventing you from passing them before the road re-narrows, at which point they proceed to slow back down.

6. This question isn’t really set up well to be answered in a fair way for anyone. You’re assuming everyone from the entire state hates everyone from a different state, AND that everyone from both states is exactly the same.

That being said: I am more afraid than anything of what will happen to Oregon. I grew up here, and this state is where I have always been the most comfortable. I think it is going to be where a lot of California residents move to as the state of California starts to become uninhabitable. People will come here, and there are only so many resources. We’re not doing so great here either climate wise. I feel like I’m being displaced by refugees because they destroyed their own land, but I’m not capable of stopping them because they have more money than I do.

7. It isn’t even so much California as much as it is the whole attitude and culture of Southern California. I think Northern California is fine.

8. As a Californian who lived in Oregon for a few years as a kid, I appreciate this post. I mean, everyone everywhere sucks, but Californians can be a certain kind of dick.

9. I had the misfortune of being born in California. We moved to Oregon when I was 4, so I consider myself an Oregonian. I think a lot of the hate comes from the lifestyle differences. Oregonians want to be close to nature, eco-friendly and to live peacefully. Californians are kind of the opposite, generally speaking. They want more, take more and don’t give two shits about their carbon footprint. Many people only care about their own tight circle of friends/family, whereas Oregonians are usually the good samaritan helping you out.

 10. They move here for a whole variety of reasons and never stop bitching about the things that make it not California. If Californians living in Oregon would stop griping about Oregon being different from California we probably wouldn’t mind them so much.

11. Born in Canada, graduated high school in SoCal, lived in Hawaii for 40 years, moved to Portland for my absolute love for this place.

My mom and much of my family live in SoCal and I’ve gone down to help mom during her recovery and it is such a relief to come back here.

The drivers there are vicious, hateful and they definitely carry that with them. I think it really is a perceived reality that the gentrification in large part is caused by Californians, when really, it’s people moving here because it’s an awesome spot and many of them are from California.

Which is funny, because many of the people I have met here WERE from California, years ago, have more than assimilated and more often than not express the most anger and bitterness about people from California moving here.

When I moved to HI in the 70’s, it was the same thing. Locals pissed that Californians were coming in, taking their women (LOL) and all the same vicious bullshit that is being thrown around now about immigrants and non locals.

I thought moving here would finally be the end of it. I just want to live in peace and enjoy the PNW and all it has to offer.

12. It’s a tribal thing. It’s very popular to hate Californians. Even in Montana and Washington. But try replacing the noun “Californians” with “blacks” and see if the logic is still there:

Oregonian: “Those damn blacks (Californians) keep moving into this state. They’re ruining this state!”

Oregonian: “Blacks (Californians) just bought the house next door! This city is going to shit.

Oregon real estate agent:”Blacks (Californians) live around there. Let me show you a different area to look for homes”.

You see? It’s nothing different than blind nationalism, blind faith, racism. If Oregon was fucked like California, and Oregonians started moving to sunny CA, I would be willing to bet the same thing would happen. Because some people can’t think for themselves.

BTW I live in CA but also have property AND family in KFalls and consider it my second home.

13. Oregonians don’t like Californians for a few reasons. Some small part of it is definitely as /u/aquareon said, but I’d say it’s a small part as in my experience the large part of Californians that move here are too oblivious of the political process to be active in it in Oregon.

The main reasons I’ve seen and experienced (having been born and raised here) is manifold:

  • They can’t drive in the rain
  • Californians move up here and all say they came for “the lifestyle” or the “pace of life” or what ever epithet is en vogue to describe the more laid back PNW pace and then complain about every aspect of it:
  • the food isn’t as good as in CA
  • the shopping isn’t as good as in CA
  • the weather isn’t as good as in CA
  • the nightlife isn’t as good as in CA
  • everyone is weird here compared to CA

And so on. The litany of complaints is endless. I knew someone in college that complained about that the Starbuck’s here weren’t as good as in CA. It gets exhausting. If you hate it so much, why are you here?

There are the other problems that are less obvious. Yes, they’re less community-minded. They are visibly more consumerist and significantly more wasteful.

All that being said, “the squeaky wheel gets the grease.” We don’t notice the countless Californians (and others- in my experience, TEXANS ARE THE ABSOLUTE WORST, followed by Montanans) that move here and have no problems and get along just fine. Oregonians “hate” Californians only in so far as we hate the ones that come and act out noisily. It’s just like the Chinese tourists getting a bad rap for shitting outside French museums and opening plane doors- the vast majority don’t act that way, but a few bad apples spoils the bunch. I personally don’t mind Californians moving here because this state badly needs to drive job creation and a growing population will help do that.

14. In my experience. Californians are selfish assholes. But, I don’t pre-judge people, so don’t be an asshole and no one will know.

15. Never met a Californian emigrant that didn’t want to go on for hours about how much better California is, no matter where they moved to.

16. Because lots of Californians move here to use Oregon as a bedroom state for California. They move here and intend to turn it into more California for them to do with as they see fit without paying California taxes. They bring their metropolitan attitudes to non-metropolitan areas and expect everything to be the same as it was back in California.

It’s not so much all Californians as Californian developers.

17. Those Hollywood types are the worst though. They think that Oregon is just a quaint bum fuck state where they can look down on people from the local film industry – good luck with no water! Then they decide to move here with their Starbucks lattes and try to turn it into SoCal.

For more hit up the thread here on Reddit

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  1. I’m originally from Chicago, and have been thinking about leaving southern California to Oregon for pretty much every reason described in this article. And I’d come up there to promote Permaculture, so I should think I would be welcomed heartily, except I know there are ignorant people everywhere.

  2. One finger pointing at California, three fingers pointing right back at the Oregon finger pointers. You know, I was thinking of doing something very constructive for Oregon, but now I’ve changed my mind. I don’t need to be treated badly for trying to do good. Good luck up there..

  3. I was born and raised in Oregon. I do believe Californians have had a negative impact. A realtor once told me her industry was responsible for the housing cost spike. She said realtors knew Californians could pay the higher prices so they raised them to benefit their pockets. It has hurt Oregonian and this state so much! Every Californian I’ve known bitches about our cities not having what theirs have, mocks Oregonians for how they dress, for hunting, ect. They all seem to embrace liberal lunacy and vote so. Northern California people are more normal. Southern CA weird. We lived by Peteluma for half year. Every person I met asked if we hunt, killed, and ate deer! ???? I got asked if we still had Indians and if we all had indoor plumbing ???? I agree with Tom McCall when he said enjoy your visit, but don’t stay!!!

  4. Why does one group of americans oppose another? Because they are unwitting victums of a jewish banking and media effort known as divide and conquer.it works especially well when the victims are atheists . they have convinced the average non jew to value money above pride in workmanship. Money now holds the most importance. Divide and conquer. Hold dear your fellow non jew califonia niehbors because the jewish talmud considers all non jews to be animals and not humans.

  5. I moved to Oregon in 1999 from Los Angeles. I expected a clean environment with corn-fed hippie types. And I was amazed and appalled at how over run this state is with meth heads. It is not a wholesome place as I was led to believe. It is crawling with drug addicts.

  6. I’m just an American living in America. Grew up in a military family, lived in lots of states. There is a big difference between S. Cal and N. Cal. People who complain about where they live need to move, if they are unhappy.

  7. I’m from Mexico . Lived all my life in SoCal. I like the rain and the forest and I’m a speed limit driver . I recycle and don’t have kids. I will purchase a hybrid soon. I send money to Sierra club and Oceana , rescue pets …I mean I agree most of people in California seem to not give a hoot about our natural resources . I dislike my own race so much because they throw trash everywhere and have a bunch of kids they can’t control. It’s so we all carry the label of the majority 🙁 I was thinking of moving to Oregon one day because I love the rain and the woods. I don’t get tired of cloudy days and love hiking . IF you decide to live somewhere you have to adapt and respect the people who were there before you. That being said a place who doesn’t welcome good citizens and judge without knowing first is not a good place. Here in California we are even dealing with a bunch of homeless from other states who decided they like it here. I don’t see people writing on their tents or cars “go back” much more accepting and civilized . Welcoming. Maybe Oregon is not for me after all.

  8. Wow, I’ve lived in So. Calif. all my life and this article about us is way harsh! I’ve been to every state in this union except for 5 states and I find beauty and fondness for each and everyone I’ve been to. Every state has its quirks, weirdness, positives and negatives just as California does. I love my state! Sure it has its problems but it’s still my state and I’m always glad to come back home after traveling our beautiful nation.

  9. Native California here. I understand the discontent many of you have expressed with transplants from California but I think a lot of people don’t understand that the problem doesn’t begin with Californians. Someone mentioned that they have seen housing prices in Oregon jump from $50,000 to $450,000. Well in my part of California, housing prices have jumped from $250,000 to over $800,000. This all began, of course, with the sub-prime rate loan fiasco, which initially jacked up housing prices, but was sustained by supply and demand. California is a popular destination for just about every other young, bored individual in this country who wants to get out of small town USA, or make it big in “Hollywood” or who wants to escape eternal cold winters. As a native Californian, I’m a minority in my area. This influx of people drives up rentals…many people are paying 90% of their income to their rent. When rentals go up, property prices in general go up (at least in California and it sounds like in Oregon too). When property prices have a continues upward trend, as they have on most of the west coast, investors begin to think real estate in that area is a good place to park their money. You think it’s only Californians driving up housing in your area but it isn’t. Attracted by the prospects of increasing property values, people from various states and China have been buying real estate along the west coast, further contributing to the increase in housing and pricing native residents out of their home towns, cities, and states.

    That’s really the only reason most people leave California. Housing is just too expensive unless they want to live in the desert and are able to find work there.

    That probably explains why Californians go to Oregon and then try to implement policies that “destroyed” California. They didn’t want to leave California to begin with.

    Even the most right wing, racist, tax hating, illegal hating, welfare hating, homophobic conservative , if they are a native Californian or long time California resident, they will not leave the state unless they get priced out of it by cost of rent, the fact they can’t afford a house, or if they own a house, in rare instances where they have a fixed income, property taxes as their property appreciates in value.

    They then come up with all of these ideological reasons rather than just admit they could no longer afford housing in the part of the state they wanted to live.

    • You tell the GOSPEL TRUTH!!! Thank you for taking the time to explain these things. You save me from having to do the same thing. The main reason Original Oregonians are losing their state to Californians is because of rampant greed. Not greed of the immigrants from California but rather greed from all property owners in California and Oregon and all foreign investors that are contributing to this problem. However there is a silver lining to this dark cloud. (For Oregonians).The Californians coming up that are self-sufficient with retirement and annuities will be okay. The younger ones coming up hoping to find jobs to support themselves may have to leave and move again because Oregon’s economy does not have that much to offer, plus if they have the misfortune of applying to a prospective employer who is Oregonian, their application will go into the circular file automatically when their origin is read. I’m afraid this California immigration is unstoppable. Oregonians might as well stop complaining about it.

      • I’m working for a company that is expanding its business into Oregon and I drove up from California, so I could see the pretty outdoors that has made Oregon famous. I’ve only spent about 5 days in Medford, OR and most of the people I meet don’t know that I’m from California, unless I tell them or they notice my car’s California license plate. Yesterday, I met a couple of older male, Oregonians at COSTCO while eating a hot dog and we had a great, open political conversation, since we all are CONSERVATIVE, voted for TRUMP, and all of us could discuss our political views openly and in a friendly manner. Today, however, I met a younger Oregonian family who I asked their opinions about a recent Portland, OR news story, whereby a young family relocating to Portland from California had their car and home spray painted with “GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA.”

        The young Oregonian father seemed angry at me as soon as I told him that I was “passing through Oregon” and would be returning soon to my home state of CALIFORNIA. I asked him if he had heard about this recent Portland news story or, if he had an opinion of how most Oregonians typically view Californians who move into their beautiful State. He told me “it depends upon who you ask.” I thought this was a strange answer, since I was only trying to understand a general mood among the Oregonians he knows towards non-natives who relocate to Oregon.

        My question seemed to upset him for some reason, since he wouldn’t give me a direct answer and was obviously not happy at all that I was bringing this topic up for discussion. After doing some online research, I’m finding some articles that may have given me some insight into this Oregonian’s unexplained anger towards me. The recent online articles I found point to a large number of Oregonians resenting people who relocate from California and other geographies. Many Oregonians seem to have a primal, tribal resentment of Californians and others who displace them and compete for their resources. The stark truth seems to be that many Oregonians are losing affordable housing and jobs to non-natives that are relocating to Oregon for financial reasons. The recent Portland news story may be just one example of Oregonians who have declared war on Californians, and they wish to drive away Californians at every opportunity.

  10. Similiar is occuring in SC. Urbsprawl is terrible. Many trees and woods being cut down running wildlife out of their homes, so bad that someone started a business removing animals from homes. But if taxes were imposed on these new construction sites and homes, animal control could do their job. Where these animal problems didn’t come along until this area was invaded. So who should pay for the problem we didn’t have? Who’s elected to represent the people who’ve always lived here? NC has a similiar infection.
    Then taxes paid by the locals had been used to pave new roads to these subdivisions, while their neighborhoods are neglected. Where politics is like business, use others money for other people who have more money and it’ll be recouped. Then, with more taxes, larger government complexes can be made.
    If you Oregonians are sick of the higher rent and other foolishness, why don’t you unite? Then take what you have and load it in your car or rent a U-haul, some might be able to get a good price on independent truckers and create a convoy walking out the state and move to the Carolinas? Southerners love wilderness and the outdoors. It rains reasonably well with sunshine too.
    Where it sounds like you’re being used to benefit foreign aliens, so stuff it in their rear. A large mass exodus out, where there’s no one to buy their homes and rent their homes or serve them. Then Teardrops can fall, we had plans on making money off you, boo too hoo.
    Where oil companies are looking to explore for oil and has off the coasts of the Carolinas. Which if I remember correctly, there’s huge nat gas supplies off the coast and could be oil. Move here and push for it, it’d open up a new industry. Which more nature and wildlife friendly than all these turd makers that have invaded. Where they live thinking nothing of what’s destroyed so they could invade. Very inhospitable to the environment.
    So organize, unite, form a Convoy. Pull up “Convoy”, by C.W. McCall and play it in your Grand Exodus. Then play Johnny Paychecks’ song, “Take This Job & Shove It”, replacing the word job with whatever you’d call your situation.
    If you put confederate battle flags on your license plate like in “Smokey & the
    Bandit” or Confederate Battle Flags from antennas, in support of southern states liberty & freedom, you’ll get a better reception.
    There’s forest here like Francis Marion, Beidler forest, at cetra. Look up the Swamp Fox, as he was a southern guerilla fighter in the Revolution who’d run into Charleston, fight the British, then run out into the swamp. Yeah, there’s swamps too. Not too many people get are by the alligators, but a couple of people were eaten by full grown mature snapping turtles.
    Then there’s the Copper River Fed by two large lakes, Marion & Moultrie that feeds into the Atlantic. There’s the Blackwater river of the Edisto that goes from the upper areas of the state to the Atlantic, the Ashley River, and a few others.
    But if you’re into natural, grow some yarrow to deal with mosquitoes. Then humidity and heat have to be gotten used too. If you have some wiccans or devout christians who sincerely pray to God, the weather can be changed.
    You guys might feel at home here.
    Convoy…….

  11. Goodness me this is a extremely pompous and egregiously close minded article. Although it is quite humorous. I can’t tell if it’s supposed to be satirically serious, or seriously satirical. Either way, I would imagine that not all Oregonians are the same, and that many would be upset, or put off to be all clumped together, as if you saw one you saw them all. Guess what, Oregon and California are different states and, with that, are bound to influence their residence with different characteristics. First thing, you don’t own the land. When you die, you don’t take your land with you. If anything, you return to the land because it owns you, so please spare the whole “this is our land” statement. Second, the thought that Californians alone are the cause of all of your real estate woes is alarming all on its own. Do you blame all of your struggles outwardly with singular focus? Real estate prices are part of a system, like everything. If you want to point blame, blame the Big Bang, or God, or whatever you believe In, because that technically was the start of every issue in the universe. Next, this thing about driving. Driving anywhere becomes a habitual behavior of the setting you most often interact with. Did you ever think that driving in California is different, and that maybe breaking a habit that is day in and day out engrained into someone’s behavior is not so easy. Maybe you all could pitch together and start a program to help people become accustomed to your foreign Oregonian ways. And this thing about your roads. I’m sorry Tillamook County for your crap roads, welcome to the norm for any Californian. I do not no one Californian driver that would vote against fixing roads. Clearly you have never driven Californian roads. They’re quite shit. Maybe you need to do some soul searching and ask yourself who hurt you, and why you feel the need to poke the hornets nest that is “Oregonians hating Californians”. Oregon is a beautiful magical wonderful place, and many Californians visit Oregon because they want to experience something new and different. I’m pretty sure that’s why anyone travels to a place that is not their (current) Home. I would think their residents would match the state‘s calm and serene beauty, but after reading this article, I’m left to believe otherwise.

  12. I know this is 2 years too late but i think that Californian’s don’t necessarily know how to drive. In California, their driving is an example for everyone; if there’s a slow down in one lane, the other lanes stay at a consistent speed, there’s no hesitation, no one is timid. That style of driving obviously doesn’t work up here due to thinner highway lanes, less high way maintenance, and dare i say much more timid and inattentive drivers.

    I will however venture out that the lousy California drivers you see in the Pacific Northwest are the California rejects who couldn’t handle proper Californian driving after moving there for a brief stint.

  13. Stop generalizing. Not all of California is San Francisco or Los Angeles from end to end. I was born in “The State of Jefferson” in the far north end of California. I’ve always lived in the foothills on the edge of the Sacramento Valley and the Sierra Nevada Gold Country. Small historic mining towns and logging towns that would fit in perfectly in the NW. Kind of rednecky hunting, fishing type places along with a liberal dose of pot farmers thrown in. So when I’m up in Oregon (which isn’t terribly far from my home) it always makes me shake my head when someone finds out I’m from California and gets an attitude.